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Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1367	Posted - 2015.03.14 05:57:47 - [1] - Quote But if we don't fight for it, how are we to be assured of having enough sand to make our sand castles? I mean other people are using up bunches of sand and sometimes it gets hard to come by. Should sand hoarders be compelled to redistribute their sand so everyone has an equal amount? That doesn't seem really fair to me, as they got their sand by being crafty and knowing how the sand box operates.... but still, I mean there's only so much sand in the box, right? I'm sure I had a point at some point, but I just cannot for the life of me remember it. Something something PVP maybe. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1367	Posted - 2015.03.14 07:06:45 - [2] - Quote On the other hand, by staying in NPC corps many players also rob themselves of the opportunity to have other like minded folks help them understand some of the various ways to put the SP they do have to their greatest use. It's a great deal easier to establish a rapport with possible mentors in a closely knit social environment than to try to do so by shouting into the seething mob. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1426	Posted - 2015.03.24 16:00:49 - [3] - Quote I dunno. I think there's a great deal of paranoia involved here that sometimes can be merited but not always. Basil's posts seem to drip with worst case scenarios and an overwhelming 'can't win, don't try' attitude. Now, if one's been stomped on many times over this can be understandable. On the other hand, it's definitely not healthy. Just because there is a counter to everything does not mean that everything you try will be countered. Just as often as you make the mistake of bringing a sword to a gunfight, others are just as prone to making mistakes of their own. By sequestering yourself from harm in fear of loss, you also rob yourself of learning opportunities that can only be gained by losing. In addition, you also are seriously limiting your ability to make new friends in the game. I know it's weird, but in EVE violence can be an amazing social ice breaker. I've met some really cool people who absolutely stomped the crap out of me. I've also met a like number of cool people out of the ranks of those whom I've stomped. This is a conflict oriented game. Without conflict the market would go to shite faster than you can warp an inty to the next gate. I'm not saying go apeshit and kill everything... I'm not even suggesting that everyone go out and have themselves a nice war. What I am saying is that by putting yourself out there and exposing yourself wheeee to the big black can have positive consequences as well as negative. That guy landing on grid with violent intent could very well become your wingmate in the future. I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1595	Posted - 2015.05.21 12:44:49 - [4] - Quote Expounding upon 'Wrong.' Even if you are in a NPC corp someone can crap in your sand, it just limits the manner in which that deuce may be dropped. Without access to war mechanics the scatology becomes more one-sided actually. Ganking becomes the deuce of choice rather than war. In those cases the aggressor has already chosen the means of your violation. You cannot fight back preemptively to protect your precious O-ring before it's violated, you can only keep a wary eye and try not to drop the soap. With a player corp you can at least try to fight back before they go flashy red on you. You have the benefit of them being flashy red the moment they enter local. You know the bad is there and you can grab your pitchfork and fight... or you can scamper off to elsewhere. You know. Without that you deal with a local full of 'neutrals' where the nogoodnik who means you harm can hide anonymously until they strike. Just saying. Stuff. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1595	Posted - 2015.05.21 13:26:18 - [5] - Quote Everything everywhere is always about poo. Don't let them tell you otherwise. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1606	Posted - 2015.05.21 15:30:24 - [6] - Quote I'm in a player corp (obviously) for a number of reasons. Most of which I'm simply not coherent enough to share at the moment due to extreme intoxication. One that I will, however, is this... It's very much nice to be able to chat with other people over comms and fleet up with them on occasion to achieve goals. Most of the time these goals are violent and involve someone else exploding. I'm perfectly comfortable with this. In fact, this is a large part of why EVE is fun for me. I get to chat with fellow players in various bits of the world, share ideas and fits, and scheme to explode other players who are elsewhere in the world, or perhaps even a couple blocks away from where I am. My alternative is inane drivel coming through over the npc corp channel while I either silently shoot at red plusses while praying for the sweet release of death... or staring at a damned rock for hours while praying for the sweet release of death. All the while I have to listen to the damned asteroid whispering to me about how I should save other miners from this living hell by applying liberal amounts of antimatter to their hulls. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1691	Posted - 2015.05.28 11:58:25 - [7] - Quote I like this wardec npc corps idea... unfortunately people who are far more voracious than I would put it to task. It doesn't matter what the price is, as raising it will not discourage larger entities from paying the fee. A larger fee would only keep smaller entities, who ironically the NPC corps would have a much easier time dealing with, from being able to declare. Meanwhile large groups who specialize in war will have their own little space orgy of violence because they CAN afford it. So, ISK argument in this situation is actually a bad one. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1692	Posted - 2015.05.28 12:41:44 - [8] - Quote Ah. so many posts, I admit freely to having skimmed the last 30 pages or so. That would be interesting, but I have a feeling that those militias would be largely empty, with perhaps the exception of CAS. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1729	Posted - 2015.05.30 08:46:12 - [9] - Quote This thread... I need the extra big popcorn bucket for it. And of course, cannot forget the butter and salt. My arteries may hate me for it. Now I'm hungry. I blame all of you. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1730	Posted - 2015.05.30 09:06:40 - [10] - Quote Anuri Suaraj wrote: I would just like to know what this "wardec" thing is, and also why do people obsess about it so frequently?! It's a fun way for corps to pew at each other in high sec without the cops breaking up the party. Giggles and antimatter for everyone. As far as obsession? It scares some of the more serious-minded folks. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1737	Posted - 2015.05.30 12:57:14 - [11] - Quote Anuri Suaraj wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Anuri Suaraj wrote: I would just like to know what this "wardec" thing is, and also why do people obsess about it so frequently?! It's a fun way for corps to pew at each other in high sec without the cops breaking up the party. Giggles and antimatter for everyone. As far as obsession? It scares some of the more serious-minded folks. Ehrm, the non-provoking, non-war-declaring party can reject this war declaration and stay protected by them cops, right? Yes, via the surrender mechanic thingy. Or they can dissolve and reform, but that's considered to be bad form by most. It's all about form, right? Out in null, low, or WH space it's not such a big deal because well, anyone who's not blue isn't blue. But here in the 'burbs we have to pay the 50 to look the other way. The folks in NPC corps mostly get to spectate, but they still have to keep an eye out for gankers. As far as positives for joining a player corp, they kind of vary depending on the corp. I try to recruit prospective new members from three different categories. The first is like-minded individuals who already have a love of pewing their fellow man. These guys can be a lot of fun, but sometimes our style doesn't fit them so they move on. No hard feelings for the ones who leave, awesome for those who stay. The second is from those whom I've detonated. Most of these guys are kind of peeved at me for the sudden widening of their O-rings, so usually not interested. On the other hand I've had a few who's response to the experience was 'OMG that was AWESOME! ' or 'I swear revenge upon you and yours!'... which is great, as I'm more than willing to teach them how to do what I do, and I also will happily teach them how to murder me in the future. And the third is the very much brand new newbieriffic newbros. These guys are awesome. Some don't fit in, and that's okay... others find something in the game that's truly pleasurable to them as a result and enjoy great fun. These are my favorite. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1739	Posted - 2015.05.30 13:25:44 - [12] - Quote I also am an extremely nice guy. I had to clarify to my coworkers who are keenly interested in this game (mostly the ex marines) that I'm not hostile at all, I'm simply very aggressive. The person who's ship I'm blowing up, or who's blowing up my ship? They are at that moment my absolute favorite person in the game. I don't hate them, in fact I'm thankful that they've given me this opportunity to tangle with an opponent who thinks... something other than a bland AI to interact with. If they win, well then Good Fight to them! If I win, the same. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1794	Posted - 2015.06.04 07:25:09 - [13] - Quote And I'm lost when it comes to this wardec think. I mean I kinda get it, as up until about 11 months ago I was in a position where they seemed scary as I was pretty vulnerable back then to it. One man corp, no backup, assets in space... all that jive. Of course I also wasn't really worth dropping the dec fee unless someone really wanted to bash my POS. (Or was REALLY annoyed with me) Then I was recruited into an alliance that does wars. Kind of a radical change and I'll be honest, the first couple months were intimidating. After a while I started to relax a bit, once I realized that there was no boogeyman under my bunk. I did my thing as merrily as I could while trying to learn stuff and was mostly uninterrupted. I did get blapped a few times while suspect baiting, but that was either by my intended target or others who were engaged in similar activities and managed to pick the same target as I did. Not once did scary warmongers come in and maul me, because I stayed vigilant during the time I was learning. I kept my eyes sharp and GTFO whenever things looked hot. Now, after nearly a year of almost constant war (we sometimes take short breaks) I'm pretty used to it and am learning to become an active participant. I'm still terribad at hunting, but I'm trying. My point, if you could call it that, is that war isn't the end of the world. You can do stuff while wardecced, you just have to keep a sharp eye on your surroundings and exercise reasonable levels of paranoia. Heck, the war-ponents are clearly marked for you in local, which is more than you can say about some gankers. Unreasonable levels of paranoia prevent you from doing things, cause you to freeze up and hide under your bunk. Fear is what ruins the game for you at that point. shrug Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1813	Posted - 2015.06.04 16:31:54 - [14] - Quote Neutral scout alt in npc corp does the hunting. Main warps in for the kill. No win situation? Not really. if war target is 'paying attention' they notice war-ponent enter right away. They align to celestial or station and warp. War-ponent lands in empty mission pocket/belt/vacant station. It's not hard. It really isn't. You just have to pay attention to what's going on. War is not that scary unless you let it be. 90% of the threat is in your own head. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1837	Posted - 2015.06.06 04:34:14 - [15] - Quote Had a nice chat with a member of CAS the other morning. She and many others are very happy with that corp for reasons already covered in depth earlier. I get that. I also understand the need/desire to have a place for hauler/scout/indy alts to live without being under the gun, especially when the main character happens to live in a 'target rich environment'. There are plenty of reasons for living in one of these corps that are plenty valid. Fear of war as a driving motivator for staying in them is one that kind of saddens me though. Don't get me wrong, I generally have plenty of targets to chase after (so many that I often find myself befuddled as to whom to pursue), so I'm not really looking for more. No, what bothers me is this pervasive notion that wars are horrible things that ruin the game, make it unplayable, drive people away etc... and get branded with the word 'Grief'. I loathe that word, as we're not playing on a public Minecraft server here. We all know what EVE is, or at least we should. We signed up for this. Most of us LOVE this. It's fun because it's kind of scary, kind of like a roller coaster. Facing that fear and conquering it is part of the joy of the game, and because of this skewed perspective many are preemptively robbing themselves of that. Hiding under the bunk and wrapping yourself in foam isn't going to enhance the game for you or anyone else. shrug Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1853	Posted - 2015.06.07 04:04:14 - [16] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Sibyyl wrote: Lucy Lopez wrote: Wardeccing isn't a combat mechanism, it's a strategy. If you want to explode NPC corp members in highsec then the sandbox already offers you various strategies for that. What you want is access to the easiest strategy of them all. The equivalent of saying nullsec is easy because two parties can shoot each other freely. Easy peasy! A bit more precision please, in non-highsec everybody can shoot everybody without noticeable consequences. In a highsec war only the involved corps can initially shoot each other without Concord involvement, which is a huge difference. Personally I'm all against arranged fights, and wardecs are from that kind. If they wouldn't be needed today to attack corp structures in highsec, I would like to see them scrapped and replaced by a more implicit way of initiation a fight by just shooting. Shoot first, talk later - this is EvE. Your aim is a bit off as well. Seems each time I engage in pew in lowsex by initiating conflict first I get a sec status hit. Enough of those and my lowsex antics make things interesting for me in hisex. If I get really groovy with it I have to do tags or endure the lifestyle of those who are deemed criminal. As I live in high and do various forms of violence there, that would significantly alter the environment in which I operate, making me have to worry about rabid npc swarms interfering with my war and suspect baiting fun... actually, while it would make the war thing far less practical it would completely eliminate one of my playstyles. Just saying. While I wouldn't mind being able to do war with NPC corps, I'm really not all that adamant about it. I don't like dec dodging though, and I think that it was an error on CCP's part to not increase the cost for forming a corp when they increased the wardec fee. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1853	Posted - 2015.06.07 04:20:59 - [17] - Quote My real issue is one that CCP cannot resolve, as it's one of human nature. When war is declared on/by our corps we make a choice. Sometimes it's a conscious one, sometimes it's subconscious. The choice is this.... Do you don your cheerleading outfit and heels and run shrieking into the woods at night? Or do you strap on your hockey mask and grab your favorite machete for your moonlit walk through the forest? Fundamentally we all have the same tools available to us in our toolboxes, it's just a matter of how we choose to use them. Numbers don't really matter; folks like Cannibal Kane have long disproven that notion. Skill does matter, but player skill more than SP. The catch is that you don't gain that kind of skill through tutorials, you have to go out there and get your nose bloodied a few times and if you're lucky/diligent you can find a mentor. Goals matter too. And this bit is important. If you are the defender and you don't want to lose, then your goal is to not lose. If you are the aggressor then you want kills. When facing an opponent that is ACTUALLY EXERTING THEMSELVES to achieve their goals, this is equally tough for both sides. Sorry about the caps, but that ****'s important. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1871	Posted - 2015.06.09 06:56:39 - [18] - Quote My god. That horse. What have you done? Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1875	Posted - 2015.06.09 09:34:52 - [19] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: My god. That horse. What have you done? I said the same thing about 30 pages back. It's not a horse. It's a glue bottle. Oh well, at least I'll have something to sniff to help make all of this oooookaayy. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

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